Two to Conquer

What forces would operate if there were two objects that were absolutely identical in form and substance This problem has occupied both workers in magic and the scientists of physics and psychology It is the pivot of Marion Zimmer Bradley s novel of Darkover during the final flaming days of the Ages of Chaos.This is the story of the era when the planet of the Bloody SunWhat forces would operate if there were two objects that were absolutely identical in form and substance This problem has occupied both workers in magic and the scientists of physics and psychology It is the pivot of Marion Zimmer Bradley s novel of Darkover during the final flaming days of the Ages of Chaos.This is the story of the era when the planet of the Bloody Sun was divided into a hundred warring kingdoms and civilization teetered on the edge of oblivion.It is the story of Bard di Asturien, ambitious soldier outlaw, and of his opponent, Varzil the Good, who struggled to establish the Compact And it is also the story of a man from distant Terra named Paul Harrell who was the exact duplicate of Varzil s enemy.Two to Conquer is a novel of social forces in combat, of the use and misuse of science, of war, of rape, and of witchcraft.
Two to Conquer What forces would operate if there were two objects that were absolutely identical in form and substance This problem has occupied both workers in magic and the scientists of physics and psychology It

  • Title: Two to Conquer
  • Author: Marion Zimmer Bradley
  • ISBN: 9780886771744
  • Page: 428
  • Format: Mass Market Paperback
  • 1 thought on “Two to Conquer”

    1. Implausible technology. Unsympathetic characters. Unhealthy relationships.Bradley takes an original twist on the doppelganger concept -- in her universe there really are two identical versions of every individual (don't ask me how people on Darkover know this when their planet is isolated and low-tech). And what could be more useful to a ruthless conqueror than another him to direct his forces and, in this case, help kidnap the unfortunate maiden he is obsessed with? Realistically, Bradley is ri [...]

    2. Continuing my Bradley kick.This is a much superior novel to the first two I reviewed. It's set prior to the Winds of Darkover and the Planet Wreckers. It's pretty early chronologically in Darkover's "history," although a more recent in terms of when it was written. It's well before "recontact," when humans rediscover Darkover after thousands of years, and well before the period when the Hasturs set up the "comyn," which are an attempt to establish rules of warfare and telepathy use to prevent wh [...]

    3. I remembered vaguely this history from my past reading. I remember they were able to have a human on Darkover before the rediscovery. I didn't remember anything more.I loved this book. I know that Bard was a bad man. And Paul was no better than his doppelganger. But they story is really good and it describes another piece of Darkover history and tradition, like the Renunciates, born between the union of Sisters of the Sword and priestesses of Avarra.This book is very good book, even if there is [...]

    4. This is one of my favorite Darkover novels because Bradley is taking a risk. The two male leads are not "good men" in the beginning of the book. The book is about how society makes us, but also about how we can redeem ourselves. It is also one of the few books that has a "beauty and the beast" role reversal.

    5. Non mi è piaciuto e, lo ammetto, avevo aspettative altissime. Non capisco se sono io che non riesco a digerire questa autrice o sono solo stata sfortunata. La storia ha un bel tema di fondo, che però non si sviluppa mai appieno, completando il suo ciclo.Bard come protagonista sarebbe stato perfetto se approfondito di più, il suo è il tema numero uno e ideale per un romanzo su un antieroe che non vuole regnare, ma a cui piace fare la guerra, scervellarsi di strategia e non preoccuparsi troppo [...]

    6. I'm a fan of Marion Zimmer Bradley, but my affection for her rests not on the Avalon books, which I didn't care for, but her Darkover series. Darkover is a "lost colony" of Earth that falls back into a medieval society. Ruled by a psychically gifted aristocracy, after centuries it's rediscovered by a star-spanning high-tech human federation, giving the series a feel of both science fiction and fantasy. Most books focus on the clash between the two cultures. This is no exception, even though set [...]

    7. A Darkover novel set in the Ages of Chaos. Bard and his father are determined to conquer as much as they can grasp, but even the military genius of Bard can't handle a war with as many fronts as they anticipate. Using forgotten magic they pull in from the Federated Worlds an exact duplicate of Bard to lead part of their war. Are Paul and Bard so alike that they must kill each other in the end?TWO TO CONQUER is about personal evolution. Bard is so spoiled by his mastery and hatred of women that h [...]

    8. So this is basically Two to Conquer (do not read further if you don't want to read abt talk of rape):"So there's this guy, and he psychically forces women to have sex with him, but he got hit with a telepathic strike that makes him feel how the women he's raped felt while he was doing it, and now he's really sorry and also he did something heroic. Root for him! He's the protagonist!" Haha. How about no.EDIT: Um. In light of what we've learned about Bradley and her husband, this book becomesgnifi [...]

    9. The flat 'good girls'/'bad boys' characters did spoil part of my reading pleasure. With all due respect to MZB who invented this fascinating world , and the time frame some of the darkover books were written in. Although this part is from the early eighties

    10. Another Darkover book. Objectively, they are really not very good books, but I can't help but devour them whenever I find them in secondhand bookstores. I love getting lost in the implausible, imaginary world.

    11. Didn't really care for this one. It's basically about a serial rapist. I'm not sure I thought he got his in the end, though Bradley was clearly trying for redemption. Ugh.

    12. The concept of a Cheryllis double is an interesting one, and would repay thoughtful examination. This ain't it. The assumption seems to be that identity in physical characteristics (down to birthmarks) would result in identity in character, no matter what the circumstances of rearing and adult life. This is not only provably false (cf Stephen Jay Gould's discussion of the singular personalities of Chang and Eng Bunker, the original 'Siamese Twins'), it's implausible on the face of it. And the ch [...]

    13. Può un libro con un protagonista più che odioso essere profondamente appassionante? La risposta di questo libro è sì! Siamo al quarto capitolo della saga di Darkover e l'argomento principe di questo volume è la guerra. Oltre alla fantastica scrittura, all'ambientazione particolare di Darkover (che però in questo libro non è centrale), c'è la storia interessante di Bard di Asturien, da figlio illegittimo a primo uomo del regno. Il suo percorso di soldato e di generale accompagna molte rif [...]

    14. Bit of a jumble, this review. Read at your own risk.Part of me is horrified by this book, by a main character who is a rapist and murderer, someone who is so selfish that he seems to believe that women he rapes actually enjoy it; so horrible a person that he seems incapable of compassion towards most others. Yet another part of me is intrigued too, by this truly alien man. Not alien because he lives on another world (even though that world is fictional!) but because he is the kind of person I wo [...]

    15. I read the first book in this omnibus, Darkover Landfall in 2008. I'm now continuing with Two to Conquer. I am following my own reading order for the Darkover novels as described on my blog - brigidsflame/feymorgai - except that I read Darkover Landfall earlier and am reading Two to Conquer now after Hawkmistress! instead of after City of Sorcery.The 5 star rating on here is for Darkover Landfall. I'll adjust the rating, if necessary, after I read Two to Conquer (and maybe write a review of the [...]

    16. Two to Conquer is a relatively good Darkover book, but it's also glaringly flawed. Marion Zimmer Bradley makes an interesting choice in that our protagonist, Bard, is a truly awful human being. Not just a little awful, but rage-prone, murderous, serial rapist awful. This is our protagonist? That's right.Bard is a warrior in a small kingdom caught in up the shifting alliances among many other small kingdoms. War is all he knows, and it is what he excels at. He's a strong and capable man. But he's [...]

    17. After a string of truly groundbreaking, excellent novels in the _Darkover_ series throughout the 1970s, Bradley seems to have stumbled a bit with this novel. Unlike _Stormqueen!_, Bradley's previous novel set in the "Ages of Chaos," there is little enlightening about the Darkover mythos in this book; further the plot and, especially, the characterization are both distinctly subpar. To me, it seems like Bradley may have had an idea for a much shorter work (essentially, the third book as printed i [...]

    18. The Darkover books are fascinating for the completeness of their world-building, and their innovative for their time treatment of feminism and homosexuality. I love her concept of the connected books set at different times in Darkovan history, without the assistance of map or dates.In this book (1982) Bradley decides to write of a rapist's redemption largely from his own point of view, a decision possibly even more daring today than in its own time.Having read several of the series over a number [...]

    19. Ingiustamente sottovalutatoSi legge spesso che “Il sapiente di Darkover” (“Two to Conquer”) sia – insieme a “Gli eredi di Hammerfell” – uno dei romanzi più deboli del ciclo. Avendolo riletto da poco, mi sento di dissentire e continuo piuttosto a trovare ben più deboli i romanzi del ciclo incentrati sulle Libere Amazzoni, che si riescono a leggere solo grazie allo stile felice di MZB (in caso contrario, sarebbero un mattone!). Tra parentesi, proprio in questo libro si trovano le [...]

    20. "STOP!"It was like a clarion call in my head. I was about 15 pages into this book, having absorbed the fact that at least one of the main characters was going to be a raping, murdering convict, and it was like someone just came up behind me and said "You don't have to read it anymore, you know.""Really?" I said. "I have all the books right here on the table, after all, and surely there's a reason they're so popular""No," said the voice. "Sometimes an author just strikes it lucky for no good reas [...]

    21. I remember reading both books in this set Years ago. Maybe close to when they were first published. Darkover Landfall was written after a lot of the other Darkover books were written and you can see, a little, how Bradley worked in the origins of some of the things she'd already written into the world she invented. I had more trouble reading Two to Conquer. Partly because the main character was so unpleasant. Realistic, but not much fun to be around. It took way too long for him to reform, in my [...]

    22. I think what probably annoyed me the most about this book (besides the fact that it was a fairly boring medieval fantasy with only the faintest trappings of scifi (also, how is it that tennis and wolves survive this colony ship, but not anything else? So odd.)) is that what we're pretty much told is that if Bard had just had his magic awakened sooner, all of this crap wouldn't have happened. I would have enjoyed reading the story of Bard who had had his magic awakened around the time of the hand [...]

    23. [These notes were made in 1984:]. This is a novel about rape, with a secondary interest in the doppelganger. It's set in early days before the unification (or rather during the beginning of unification) of Darkover. Bard (the Wolf) is an illegitimate warrior son of a king. He gets involved with several women, raping two of them, being obsessed with a couple of them. His Terran double is no better - a condemned criminal - but Paul (that's his name) learns a little consideration for women, while B [...]

    24. I had a difficult time getting into this novel. The main character was a sadistic misogynist at the start. I stuck with it simply because I wanted him to get what he deserved, and/or reach some type of redemption. Of course, the intro of a Terran meeting an identical Darkover twin was an intriguing beginning. I also am quite interested in how the Compact was created and agreed to, and the novel provides quite a lot of detail about that issue. One of the Darkover lords announces, " If I had two o [...]

    25. After the intial popularity of the Darkover series, somewhat helped by a rich backstory, MZB spent a considerable amount of time filling in stories set in the backstory. This is one such novel - one which would have worked better as a short story. Set in the time of the Hundred Kingdoms - a time of proto-feudalism - it also combines with a cautionary anti-nuke parable set around the establishing a non-laran compact of Varzil - to not use laran in war. Too many messages muddle the story. From non [...]

    26. Ciò che mi infastidisce dei libri di Marion Zimmer Breadley è il continuo femminismo di cui sono farciti. Nei tre libri su Darkover letti finora le donne, quando non sono eroine perennemente incomprese, risultano sempre e solo vittime di un mondo maschile violento e bestiale. Questa tematica sicuramente rispecchia alcune realtà e ci può anche stare in un romanzo fantasy perché no, peccato che sia una costante: nel primo libro non si nota, nel secondo ci si comincia a far caso, nel terzo ci [...]

    27. I spent most of this book pissed that I was being subjected to yet another disgusting, negative chsrscter--a serial rapist, no less--and then in the last few chapters, he pulled his head out of his arse and turned it around. The weird doppelganger angle seemed superfluous, though, especially when they started out emphasizing he was also an arse and a sociopath. Only he quickly wasn't. Weird villains, weird plot line, women are still treated like shit, and they threw in just enough familiar stuff [...]

    28. Definitely a cold war book! I also saw themes from other pieces she has done: Mists of Avalon being VERY prevalent. (land of women healers, on an island in a lake, that none shall get to unless the women wish it.) I don't remember if EVERY darkover book has a terran in it, but so far.Also, history line is muddled. In Forbidden Tower, Varzil is met, and told that he was a great man, but the character knew that things would not last. And in this, Neskaya tower has already burned. Did it burn twice [...]

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