This is the second of a projected trilogy of dialogues, in which an unnamed stranger sets out to satisfy Socrates desire for an account of sophist, statesman, and philosopher The third was never written Focus Philosohpical Library s Statesman includes a faithful, clear, and consistent translation to English, with notes It also includes an exploratory essay, glossaryThis is the second of a projected trilogy of dialogues, in which an unnamed stranger sets out to satisfy Socrates desire for an account of sophist, statesman, and philosopher The third was never written Focus Philosohpical Library s Statesman includes a faithful, clear, and consistent translation to English, with notes It also includes an exploratory essay, glossary of crucial Greek terms, supplemental diagrams illustrating diairesis The Divisions of the Statesman , and an appendix on the paradigm of weaving.
Statesman This is the second of a projected trilogy of dialogues in which an unnamed stranger sets out to satisfy Socrates desire for an account of sophist statesman and philosopher The third was never writt

  • Title: Statesman
  • Author: Plato Eva Brann Peter Kalkavage Eric Salem
  • ISBN: 9781585102907
  • Page: 164
  • Format: Paperback
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    1 thought on “Statesman”

    1. Ο Πλάτων στην Πολιτεία εκθέτει τις απόψεις του για την πολιτική, ενώ στον Πολιτικό προσεγγίζει το θέμα από την πλευρά των πολιτών.

    2. Seth Benardete's translation of Plato's Statesman is the translation any student of Plato (who lacks full knowledge of Greek) should make primary use of. His translation is the most literal one, and Benardete's mastery of Greek and his faithfulness to the particulars of the original make it the translation one should have at hand when paying the closest attention to Plato's particulars. In addition to the dialogue itself, Benardete's accompanying commentary can be the source of profound insights [...]

    3. I was very disappointed that the new Brann/Kalkavage/Salem translation of the Statesman did not arrive in time for me to read it for my SJC Alumni Seminar this weekend, especially after having just read their Sophist translation. I found this translation to be much less clear and readable, which definitely affected my rating of the bookI was also comparatively unimpressed with the first half of the dialogue itself. Thankfully, over the course of our Seminar, several questions were raised which w [...]

    4. Statesman lacks the mystery of Theaetetus and the rigor of Sophist, but it is the natural conclusion to the trilogy. The first dialogue is a critique of Protagoras and Heraclitus, a careful examination of the faults of relativism. The second dialogue is a critique of Parmenides and the faults of monism. Statesman demonstrates that neither one accurately describes practical human existence, which is ultimately a weaving together of both interpretations. The difficulty is that the two interpretati [...]

    5. Eva Brann, Peter Kalkavage, and Eric Salem's translation of Plato's Statesman is a very useful resource that I highly recommend to all serious students of Plato. The same trio collaborated on Plato's Phaedo, which is also very fine. The translation itself is very good: it is clear, and fairly literal—an absolute necessity for the proper interpretation of whom Nietzsche called "the most beautiful growth of antiquity" (Beyond Good and Evil, "Preface"). No translation is perfect, however, and so [...]

    6. The first two thirds of this dialogue are tedious to a ridiculous extreme.The last third more than makes up for it. Reading Plato can be like riding a roller coaster, ranging from agreement and enlightenment to pure horror at clearly totalitarian suggestions. The real question is, can a true Statesman ever exist and if not, isn't the idea of one dangerous? The Greek idea that government exists to perfect men is just one I will never agree with.

    7. Review:November 2004Plato's most disturbing political dialogueThis book, the culmination of Benardete's masterful translation of what Jacob Klein was pleased to call `Plato's Trilogy,' includes not only a translation of `The Statesman' but also a superb commentary with notes. (Benardete, btw, is something of a rarity these days, a `non-political' student of Leo Strauss.' This `trilogy' (as Klein would say) in question consists of 3 dialogues; Theaetetus, Sophist, Statesman. But, as Benardete poi [...]

    8. Continuação do Sofista, mas menos tedioso e ao meu ver com mais implicações pro futuro. O método de subdivisões, apesar de induzir muitas vezes ao erro, é uma ferramenta curiosa, que tenta reduzir em classes as definições até chegar ao ponto desejado. O Estrangeiro traz discursos que induzem a reflexão para nosso cotidiano, como a regulação por leis de artes que não são compatíveis com essa deliberação forçada e não otimizada de alocação de recursos. Há pontos de alusão a [...]

    9. A few highlights, in no particular order:1. The Stranger's division of things into categories at the beginning is kind of awesome. There are some good points about methodology that contemporary metaphysicians might want to take note of (e.g it seems awfully anthropocentric to divide the the world into human/nonhuman). The fact that this all ends with the definition of politics that's somewhat hard to take seriously (as the tending of featherless bipeds) is even better.2. Plato's discussion of th [...]

    10. This is a somewhat odd member of the Platonic corpus. The myth of the reversal of the cosmos isn’t Plato’s most compelling and doesn’t seem deeply relevant, or at least not completely integral to the book. And the Visitor’s lengthy exposition of the “method of division” doesn’t seem to have enough importance to justify its length. But when the book finally gets to political philosophy it’s substantial and interesting, not least in its relationship with Republic and Laws. I rarely [...]

    11. After recently finishing the book I have gone back and re-read a few portions of the Statesman by Plato and I'm reminded of the sheer beauty of his ethereal and poetic vision regarding "the immediate Providence" of God ("the Creator"), balanced with the proper running of a "true government" with a leader(s) guided by knowledgeable action. Of course, for Plato, he proposes a monarchy ruled by a few "bound by good prescriptions or laws" - and not the democracy ruled by many. Regarding the question [...]

    12. The Visitor is still really bad at dialogues, but this is a lot more interesting than Sophist. One, the backwards spinning myth about the inevitable golden age was an interesting interpretation. Two, there was a nice discussion of government forms, which actually reminded me a lot of Cicero's On the Republic (I suppose it should really be the other way around). And three, the categorization, boring though it may be, and the more interesting discussion of ethics and moderation were sort of Aristo [...]

    13. My only comment on this dialogue (mid-read):" Yes, it takes a wise government to know when to stick to precedents and existing laws and when to change them to suit new conditions. Even moreso when those laws are thought to be based on some kind of sacred principle (e.g. the Bible) or hallowed patriotism.I believe the Stranger will continue in this dialogue to expolore what makes a real government (one that acts in the best interest of the people) and what is only a poor imitation. "

    14. Don't let the section where "the stranger" and Young Socrates divide the arts to the point of absurdity discourage you. This dialogue is incredible. Deep insights into the nature of personality and how it affects laws and government; the nature of laws them selves; and finally an inspection of different types of governments and the people who lead them. Well worth your time slogging through the boring middle section.

    15. This is the place where Plato gives his description of democracy as the worst possible form of government, but the best option we have. I liked his notion that a king is just as much a king even when he is not in power (292e). My favorite discussion, however, was on the 'regio dissimilitudinis,' the infinite region of dissimilarity into which the universe will fall when God takes his hand out from where He spins the heavens in their circles.

    16. I think I'll have to read this one again down the track because it is the third part of a trilogy. I found this translation difficult to read. It might be good for someone who wants a literal account of the original, but for a philosophical beginner like me it was too wordy. I'm thinking that I might read another translation.

    17. Bello perché ancora una volta Platone ricorre a un favoloso mito per spiegare il fulcro delle sue idee.Interessante perché traduce l'ideale politico Platonico delineato nella Repubblica in uno stato pratico che tenga conto del caos e dei pregi e difetti delle persone.Attuale perché fa riflettere mettendo a confronto i "politici" di oggi con i politici senza virgolette. :)

    18. This is one of the strangest, but also most interesting, of Plato's dialogues. Essential for the student of his later thought, it offers considerable interpretive challenges for one who aims to assess its complicated relations to its predecessor (Republic), sister dialogue (Sophist) and successor (Laws).

    19. Mostly a bunch of senseless division that goes nowhere, and then some interesting political thoughts for a few pages. A mixed bag as a dialogue, but certain excerpts are important for tracing Plato's political development into his older years.

    20. Part of a trilogy. Follows the first, Sophist. The Statesman sets about defining what separates the Statesman from the Sophist. Apparently the Statesman possesses the kingly art. Who would have guessed?

    21. This dialogue is the second best example of dialectic reasoning in Plato's corpus. He determines that, like a warp and a woof, the members of society must blend their violent and peaceful instincts: the statesmen is the weaver.

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